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I'd like to see some way to conditionally include wiki text based on
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whether the wiki enables or disables certain features. For example,
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[[ikiwiki/formatting]], could use `\[[!if (enabled smiley) """Also, because
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this wiki has the smiley plugin enabled, you can insert \[[smileys]] and
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some other useful symbols."""]]`, and a standard template for [[plugins]]
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pages could check for the given plugin name to print "enabled" or
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"disabled".
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Some potentially useful conditionals:
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* `enabled pluginname`
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* `disabled pluginname`
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* `any pagespec`: true if any of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
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* `all pagespec`: true if all of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
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* `no pagespec` or `none pagespec`: true if none of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
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* `thispage pagespec`: true if pagespec includes the page getting rendered (possibly one including the page with this content on it).
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* `sourcepage pagespec`: true if pagespec includes the page corresponding to the file actually containing this content, rather than a page including it.
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* `included`: true if included on another page, via [[plugins/inline]], [[plugins/sidebar]], [[plugins/contrib/navbar]], etc.
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You may or may not want to include boolean operations (`and`, `or`, and
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`not`); if you do, you could replace `disabled` with `not enabled`, and `no
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pagespec` or `none pagespec` with `not any pagespec` (but you may want to
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keep the aliases for simplicity anyway). You also may or may not want to
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include an `else` clause; if so, you could label the text used if true as
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`then`.
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Syntax could vary greatly here, both for the
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[[ikiwiki/Directive]] and for the condition itself.
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> I think this is a good thing to consider, although conditionals tend to
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> make everything a lot more complicated, so I also want to KISS, and not
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> use too many of them.
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> I'd probably implement this using the same method as pagespecs, so 'and',
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> 'or', '!', and paren groupings work.
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> It could be thought of as simply testing to see if a pagespec matches
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> anything, using a slightly expanded syntax for the pagespec, which would
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> also allow testing for things like link(somepage),
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> created_before(somepage), etc.
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> That also gives us your "any pagespec" for free: "page or page or page".
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> And for "all pagespec", you can do "page and page and page".
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>
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> For plugins testing, maybe just use "enabled(name)"?
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> I'm not sure what the use cases are for thispage, sourcepage, and
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> included. I don't know if the included test is even doable. I'd be
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> inclined to not bother with these three unless there are use cases I'm
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> not seeing.
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>
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> As to the syntax, to fit it into standard preprocessor syntax, it would
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> need to look something like this:
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>
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> \[[!if test="enabled(smiley)" """foo"""]]
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>
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> --[[Joey]]
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>> [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] syntax seems perfect, and your proposed syntax for the `if`
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>> [[ikiwiki/Directive]] looks fine to me.
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>> [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]]s don't give you `none` for free, since `!foo/*` as a boolean
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>> would mean "does any page not matching `foo/*` exist", not "does `foo/*`
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>> match nothing"; however, I don't really care much about `none`, since I
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>> just threw it in while brainstorming, and I don't know any compelling use
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>> cases for it.
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>> `enabled(pluginname)` will work perfectly, and `!enabled(pluginname)`
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>> makes `disabled` unnecessary.
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>> A few use cases for `included`, which I would really like to see:
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>> * On the sidebar page, you could say something like \[[!if test="!included"
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>> """This page, without this help message, appears as a sidebar on all
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>> pages."""]]. The help text would then only appear on the sidebar page
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>> itself, not the sidebar included on all pages.
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>>
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>> * On [[ikiwiki/blog]] entries, you could use `included` to implement a cut.
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>> (Please don't take that as an argument against. :) ) For instance, you
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>> could use included rather than [[plugins/toggle]] for the detailed
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>> changelogs of ikiwiki, or to embed an image as a link in the feed rather
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>> than an embedded image.
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>> Some use cases for `thispage`:
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>> * You could use `thispage` to include or exclude parts of the sidebar based
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>> on the page you include it in. You can already use subpages/sidebar for
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>> subpages/*, but `thispage` seems more flexible, makes it trivial to have
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>> common portions rather than using [[plugins/inline]] with the `raw`
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>> option, and keeps the sidebar in one place.
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>>
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>> * You could use `thispage` to implement multiple different feeds for the
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>> same content with slightly different presentation. For instance, using
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>> templates for image inclusion, you could offer a feed with image links
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>> and a feed with embedded images. Similarly, using templates for cuts, you
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>> could offer a feed with cuts and a feed with full content in every post.
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>> I don't have any particular attachment to `sourcepage`. It only makes
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>> sense as part of a template, since otherwise you know the source page when
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>> typing in the if.
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>>
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>> --[[JoshTriplett]]
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This is now completely [[todo/done]]! See [[plugins/conditional]].
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--[[Joey]]
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> You rock mightily. --[[JoshTriplett]]
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Is there a way to test features other than plugins? For example,
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to add to [[ikiwiki/Markdown]] something like
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\[[!if test="enabled(multimarkdown)" then="You can also use..."]]
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(I tried it like that just to see if it would work, but I wasn't that lucky.)
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--ChapmanFlack
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> No, not supported. I really think that trying to conditionalise text on a
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> page for multimarkdown is a path to madness or unreadability though.
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> Perhaps it would be better to have .mmdwn files that can only contain
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> multimarkdown? --[[Joey]]
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>> Really, there was only one (or maybe two) pages I had in mind as appropriate
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>> places for conditional text based on multimarkdown—the underlay pages
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>> for 'markdown' and maybe also 'formatting', because those are the pages you
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>> look at when you're trying to find out how to mark stuff up for the wiki, so
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>> if MM is enabled, they need to at least mention it and have a link to the
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>> MM syntax guide.--ChapmanFlack
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