split off todo item for multiple dependency types
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pass, plugins/map is then updated, because it depends on plugins/brokenlinks.
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(Of course, this is just a special case of the issue that a real
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modification to plugins/brokenlinks causes an unnecessary update of plugins/map,
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because we have only one kind of dependency.)
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because we have [[only_one_kind_of_dependency|todo/dependency_types]].)
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--[[Joey]]
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Moved this relevant discussion to here from
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[[tracking_bugs_with_dependencies]]: --[[Joey]]
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Ikiwiki currently only has one type of dependency between pages
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(plus wikilinks special cased in on the side). This has resulted in various
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problems, and it's seemed for a long time to me that ikiwiki needs to get
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smarter about what types of dependencies are supported.
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### unnecessary work
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The current single dependency type causes the depending page to be rebuilt
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whenever a matching dependency is added, removed, or *modified*. But a
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great many things don't care about the modification case, and often cause
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unnecessary page rebuilds:
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* meta only cares if the pages are added or removed. Content change does
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not matter (unless show=title is used).
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* brokenlinks, orphans, pagecount, ditto
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* inline in archive mode cares about page title, author changing, but
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not content. (Ditto for meta with show=title.)
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* Causes extra work when solving the [[bug/transitive_dependencies]]
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problem.
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### two types of dependencies needed for [[tracking_bugs_with_dependencies]]
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>> it seems that there are two types of dependency, and ikiwiki
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>> currently only handles one of them. The first type is "Rebuild this
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>>>>> For old-style pagespecs without backlinks, the dependency set for a pagespec is the same as the set of pages the pagespec matches.
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>>>>> Unfortunately, with existential matching, the set of pages that each
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>>>>> pagespec depends upon can quickly become "*", which is not very useful. -- [[Will]]
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### proposal
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I propose the following. --[[Joey]]
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* Add a second type of dependency, call it an "contentless dependency".
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* `add_depends` defaults to adding a regular ("full") dependency, as
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before. (So nothing breaks.)
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* `add_depends($page, $spec, content => 0)` adds an contentless dependency.
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* Contentless dependencies are stored in `%depends_contentless` and
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`%depends_contentless_simple`, which are stored in the index similarly
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to the existing hashes.
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* `refresh` only looks at added/removed pages when resolving contentless
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dependencies.
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This seems straightforwardly doable. I'd like [[Will]]'s feedback on it, if
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possible. The type types of dependencies I am proposing are not identical
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to the two types he talks about above, but I hope are close enough that
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they can be used.
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This doesn't deal with the stuff that only depend on the metadata of a
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page, as collected in the scan pass, changing. But it does leave a window
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open for adding such a dependency type later.
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@ -360,7 +360,10 @@ account all comments above (which doesn't mean it is above reproach :) ). --[[W
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> --[[Joey]]
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>> There is one issue that I've been thinking about that I haven't raised anywhere (or checked myself), and that is how this all interacts with page dependencies.
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>> Firstly, I'm not sure anymore that the `pagespec_merge` function will continue to work in all cases.
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>>
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>>> I've moved the discussion of that to [[dependency_types]]. --[[Joey]]
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>>
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>> I'm not sure anymore that the `pagespec_merge` function will continue to work in all cases.
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>>> The problem I can see there is that if two pagespecs
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>>> get merged and both use `~foo` but define it differently,
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>>> My [[remove-pagespec-merge|should_optimise_pagespecs]] branch has now
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>>> solved all this by deleting the offending function :-) --[[smcv]]
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>> Secondly, it seems that there are two types of dependency, and ikiwiki
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>> currently only handles one of them. The first type is "Rebuild this
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>> page when any of these other pages changes" - ikiwiki handles this.
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>> The second type is "rebuild this page when set of pages referred to by
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>> this pagespec changes" - ikiwiki doesn't seem to handle this. I
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>> suspect that named pagespecs would make that second type of dependency
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>> more important. I'll try to come up with a good example. -- [[Will]]
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>>> Hrm, I was going to build an example of this with backlinks, but it
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>>> looks like that is handled as a special case at the moment (line 458 of
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>>> render.pm). I'll see if I can breapk
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>>> things another way. Fixing this properly would allow removal of that special case. -- [[Will]]
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>>>> I can't quite understand the distinction you're trying to draw
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>>>> between the two types of dependencies. Backlinks are a very special
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>>>> case though and I'll be suprised if they fit well into pagespecs.
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>>>> --[[Joey]]
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>>>>> The issue is that the existential pagespec matching allows you to build things that have similar
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>>>>> problems to backlinks.
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>>>>> e.g. the following inline:
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\[[!inline pages="define(~done, link(done)) and link(~done)" archive=yes]]
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>>>>> includes any page that links to a page that links to done. Now imagine I add a new link to 'done' on
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>>>>> some random page somewhere - a page which some other page links to which didn't previously get included - the set of pages accepted by the pagespec, and hence the set of
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>>>>> pages inlined, will change. But, there is no dependency anywhere on the page that I altered, so
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>>>>> ikiwiki will not rebuild the page with the inline in it. What is happening is that the page that I altered affects
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>>>>> the set of pages matched by the pagespec without itself being matched by the pagespec, and hence included in the dependency list.
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>>>>> To make this work well, I think you need to recognise two types of dependencies for each page (and no
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>>>>> special cases for particular types of links, eg backlinks). The first type of dependency says, "The content of
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>>>>> this page depends upon the content of these other pages". The `add_depends()` in the shortcuts
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>>>>> plugin is of this form: any time the shortcuts page is edited, any page with a shortcut on it
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>>>>> is rebuilt. The inline plugin also needs to add dependencies of this form to detect when the inlined
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>>>>> content changes. By contrast, the map plugin does not need a dependency of this form, because it
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>>>>> doesn't actually care about the content of any pages, just which pages it needs to include (which we'll handle next).
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>>>>> The second type of dependency says, "The content of this page depends upon the exact set of pages matched
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>>>>> by this pagespec". The first type of dependency was about the content of some pages, the second type is about
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>>>>> which pages get matched by a pagespec. This is the type of dependency tracking that the map plugin needs.
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>>>>> If the set of pages matched by map pagespec changes, then the page with the map on it needs to be rebuilt to show a different list of pages.
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>>>>> Inline needs this type of dependency as well as the previous type - This type handles a change in which pages
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>>>>> are inlined, the previous type handles a change in the content of any of those pages. Shortcut does not need this type of
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>>>>> dependency. Most of the places that use `add_depends()` seem to need this type of dependency rather than the first type.
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>>>>>> Note that inline and map currently achieve the second type of dependency by
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>>>>>> explicitly calling `add_depends` for each page the displayed.
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>>>>>> If any of those pages are removed, the regular pagespec would not
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>>>>>> match them -- since they're gone. However, the explicit dependency
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>>>>>> on them does cause them to match. It's an ugly corner I'd like to
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>>>>>> get rid of. --[[Joey]]
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>>>>> Implementation Details: The first type of dependency can be handled very similarly to the current
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>>>>> dependency system. You just need to keep a list of pages that the content depends upon. You could
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>>>>> keep that list as a pagespec, but if you do this you might want to check that the pagespec doesn't change,
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>>>>> possibly by adding a dependency of the second type along with the dependency of the first type.
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>>>>>> An example of the current system not tracking enough data is
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>>>>>> described in [[bugs/transitive_dependencies]].
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>>>>>> --[[Joey]]
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>>>>> The second type of dependency is a little more tricky. For each page, we'd need a list of pagespecs that
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>>>>> the page depended on, and for each pagespec you'd want to store the list of pages that currently match it.
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>>>>> On refresh, you'd need to check each pagespec to see if the set of pages that match it has changed, and if
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>>>>> that set has changed, then rebuild the dependent page(s). Oh, and for this second type of dependency, I
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>>>>> don't think you can merge pagespecs. If I wanted to know if either "\*" or "link(done)" changes, then just checking
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>>>>> to see if the set of pages matched by "\* or link(done)" changes doesn't work.
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>>>>> The current system works because even though you usually want dependencies of the second type, the set of pages
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>>>>> referred to by a pagespec can only change if one of those pages itself changes. i.e. A dependency check of the
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>>>>> first type will catch a dependency change of the second type with current pagespecs.
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>>>>> This doesn't work with backlinks, and it doesn't work with existential matching. Backlinks are currently special-cased. I don't know
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>>>>> how to special-case existential matching - I suspect you're better off just getting the dependency tracking right.
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>>>>> I also tried to come up with other possible solutions: e.g. can we find the dependencies for a pagespec? That
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>>>>> would be the set of pages where a change on one of those pages could lead to a change in the set of pages matched by the pagespec.
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>>>>> For old-style pagespecs without backlinks, the dependency set for a pagespec is the same as the set of pages the pagespec matches.
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>>>>> Unfortunately, with existential matching, the set of pages that each
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>>>>> pagespec depends upon can quickly become "*", which is not very useful. -- [[Will]]
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Patch updated to use closures rather than inline generated code for named pagespecs. Also includes some new use of ErrorReason where appropriate. -- [[Will]]
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