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[[!template id=gitbranch branch=smcv/sort-hooks author="[[Simon_McVittie|smcv]]"]]
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[[!tag patch]]
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The available [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]] methods are currently hard-coded in
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whether it would be worth making sort=name an alias for the current sort=title,
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and changing the meaning of sort=title in 4.0, though).
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Gitweb:
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<http://git.pseudorandom.co.uk/smcv/ikiwiki.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/sort-hooks>
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*[sort-hooks branch now withdrawn in favour of sort-package --s]*
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I briefly tried to turn *all* the current sort types into hook functions, and
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have some of them pre-registered, but decided that probably wasn't a good idea.
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That earlier version of the branch is also available for comparison:
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<http://git.pseudorandom.co.uk/smcv/ikiwiki.git?a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/sort-hooks-excessive>
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(The older version is untested, and probably doesn't really work as-is - I
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misunderstood the details of how the built-in function `sort` works when using
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`$a` and `$b`. The newer version has been tested, and has a regression test for
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its core functionality.)
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This hook *isn't* (yet) sufficient to implement [[plugins/contrib/report]]'s
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NIH'd sorting mechanisms:
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* `report` can sort by any [[plugins/contrib/field]], whereas this one has a
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finite number of hooks: if the `field` plugin's functionality is desirable,
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perhaps parameterized sort mechanisms similar to pagespec match functions
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would be useful? Then the `field` plugin could register
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`hook(type => "sort", id => "field")` and you could have
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`\[[!inline ... sort="field(Mood)"]]` or something?
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* `report` can sort by multiple criteria, with independent direction-changing:
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if this is desirable, perhaps `pagespec_match_list` could be enhanced to
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interpret `sort="x -y z(w)"` as sorting by (pseudocode)
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`{ $cmp_x->($a, $b) || (-$cmp_y->($a, $b)) || $cmp_z->($a, $b, "w") }`?
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> I've now added both of these features to the sort-hooks branch. --[[smcv]]
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*[also withdrawn in favour of sort-package --s]*
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>> I wonder if IkiWiki would benefit from the concept of a "sortspec", like a [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] but dedicated to sorting lists of pages rather than defining lists of pages? Rather than defining a sort-hook, define a SortSpec class, and enable people to add their own sort methods as functions defined inside that class, similarly to the way they can add their own pagespec definitions. --[[KathrynAndersen]]
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>>>> I agree it seems more elegant, so I have focused on it.
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>>>>
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>>>> I don't know about reusing `IkiWiki::PageSpec` for this.
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>>>>
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>>>> --[[Joey]]
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>>>>> Fair enough, `IkiWiki::SortSpec::cmp_foo` would be just
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>>>>> as easy, or `IkiWiki::Sorting::cmp_foo` if you don't like
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>>>>> introducing "sort spec" in the API. I took a cue from
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>>>>> [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]] being a subpage of
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>>>>> [[ikiwiki/pagespec]], and decided that yes, sorting is
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>>>>> a bit like a pagespec :-) --s
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>>>> I would be inclined to drop the `check_` stuff.
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>>>>
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>>>>> It basically exists to support `title_natural`, to avoid
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>>>>> firing up the whole import mechanism on every `cmp`
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>>>>> (although I suppose that could just be a call to a
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>>>>> memoized helper function). It also lets sort specs that
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>>>>> *must* have a parameter, like
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>>>>> [[field|plugins/contrib/field/discussion]], fail early
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>>>>> (again, not so valuable).
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>>>>>
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>>>>> The former function could be achieved at a small
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>>>>> compatibility cost by putting `title_natural` in a new
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>>>>> sortnatural plugin (that fails to load if you don't
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>>>>> have `title_natural`), if you'd prefer - that's what would
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>>>>> have happened if `title_natural` was written after this
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>>>>> code had been merged, I suspect. --s
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>>>> Wouldn't it make sense to have `meta(title)` instead
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>>>> of `meta_title`?
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>>>>
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>>>> of `meta_title`? --J
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>>>>> Yes, you're right. I added parameters to support `field`,
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>>>>> and didn't think about making `meta` use them too.
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>>>>> However, `title` does need a special case to make it
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>>>>> default to the basename instead of the empty string.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Another special case for `title` is to use `titlesort`
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>>>>> first (the name `titlesort` is derived from Ogg/FLAC
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>>>>> tags, which can have `titlesort` and `artistsort`).
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>>>>> I could easily extend that to other metas, though;
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>>>>> in fact, for e.g. book lists it would be nice for
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>>>>> `field(bookauthor)` to behave similarly, so you can
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>>>>> display "Douglas Adams" but sort by "Adams, Douglas".
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>>>>>
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>>>>> `meta_title` is also meant to be a prototype of how
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>>>>> `sort=title` could behave in 4.0 or something - sorting
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>>>>> by page name (which usually sorts in approximately the
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>>>>> same place as the meta-title, but occasionally not), while
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>>>>> displaying meta-titles, does look quite odd. --s
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>>>> As I read the regexp in `cmpspec_translate`, the "command"
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>>>> is required to have params. They should be optional,
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>>>> to match the documentation and because most sort methods
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>>>> do not need parameters.
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>>>>
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>>>> do not need parameters. --J
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>>>>> No, `$2` is either `\w+\([^\)]*\)` or `[^\s]+` (with the
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>>>>> latter causing an error later if it doesn't also match `\w+`).
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>>>>> This branch doesn't add any parameterized sort methods,
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>>>>> in fact, although I did provide one on
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>>>>> [[field's_discussion_page|plugins/contrib/report/discussion]]. --s
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>>>> I wonder if it would make sense to add some combining keywords, so
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>>>> a sortspec reads like `sort="age then ascending title"`
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>>>> In a way, this reduces the amount of syntax that needs to be learned.
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>>>> "ascending age" both seem useful to be able to explicitly specify.
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>>>> --[[Joey]]
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## Documentation from sort-hooks branch
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### sort hook (added to [[plugins/write]])
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hook(type => "sort", id => "foo", call => \&sort_by_foo);
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This hook adds an additional [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]] order or overrides
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an existing one.
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The callback is given two page names followed by the parameter as arguments, and
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returns negative, zero or positive if the first page should come before,
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close to (i.e. undefined order), or after the second page.
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For instance, the built-in `title` sort order could be reimplemented as
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sub sort_by_title {
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pagetitle(basename($_[0])) cmp pagetitle(basename($_[1]));
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}
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and to sort by an arbitrary `meta` value, you could use:
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# usage: sort="meta(description)"
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sub sort_by_meta {
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my $param = $_[2];
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error "sort=meta requires a parameter" unless defined $param;
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my $left = $pagestate{$_[0]}{meta}{$param};
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$left = "" unless defined $left;
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my $right = $pagestate{$_[1]}{meta}{$param};
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$right = "" unless defined $right;
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return $left cmp $right;
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}
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>>>>> Perhaps. I do like the simplicity of [[KathyrnAndersen]]'s syntax
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>>>>> from [[plugins/contrib/report]] (which I copied verbatim, except for
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>>>>> turning sort-by-`field` into a parameterized spec), and I can't really
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>>>>> think of any sensible way to combine sort specs other than "sort by a,
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>>>>> break ties by b, ...", possibly with some reversals thrown in.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> If no other combinations do make sense, is your proposal that "then"
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>>>>> is entirely redundant (easy, just make it a predefined sort spec that
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>>>>> returns 0!), or that it's mandatory "punctuation" (add an explicit
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>>>>> check, or make "then" expand to "||" and let Perl fail to compile
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>>>>> the generated code if it's omitted)?
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>>>>>
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>>>>> It is a little unfortunate that reversal has to move into the sort
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>>>>> spec - I prefer `reverse=yes` - but that's necessary for multi-level
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>>>>> sorting. I can see your point about ascending/descending being more
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>>>>> obvious to look at, but they're also considerably more verbose.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Unfortunately, `sort="ascending mtime"` actually sorts by *descending*
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>>>>> timestamp (but`sort=age` is fine, because `age` could be defined as
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>>>>> now minus `ctime`). `sort=freshness` isn't right either, because
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>>>>> "sort by freshness" seems as though it ought to mean freshest first,
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>>>>> but "sort by ascending freshness" means put the least fresh first. If
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>>>>> we have ascending and descending keywords which are optional, I don't
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>>>>> think we really want different sort types to have different default
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>>>>> directions - it seems clearer to have `ascending` always be a no-op,
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>>>>> and `descending` always negate.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Perhaps we could borrow from `meta updated` and use `update_age`?
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>>>>> `updateage` would perhaps be a more normal IkiWiki style - but that
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>>>>> makes me think that updateage is a quantity analagous to tonnage or
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>>>>> voltage, with more or less recently updated pages being said to have
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>>>>> more or less updateage. I don't know whether that's good or bad :-)
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>>>>>
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>>>>> I'm sure there's a much better word, but I can't see it. --s
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## Documentation from sort-package branch
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### meta_title sort order (conditionally added to [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]])
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> I feel it sould be clearer to call that "sortas", since "sort=" is used
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> to specify a sort method in other directives. --[[Joey]]
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>> Fair enough, that's easy to do. --[[smcv]]
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### Multiple sort orders (added to [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]])
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In addition, you can combine several sort orders and/or reverse the order of
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\[[!meta title="David Bowie" sort="Bowie, David"]]
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## Documentation from sort-package branch
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The changes to [[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]] are the same.
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The changes to [[plugins/write]] are replaced by:
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### Sorting plugins
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### Sorting plugins (added to [[plugins/write]])
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Similarly, it's possible to write plugins that add new functions as
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[[ikiwiki/pagespec/sorting]] methods. To achieve this, add a function to
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